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Date: Tue Oct 24 16:45:28 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:

Yeah, I actually like Philly (well........maybe not South Philly) - but really........isn't it just an adjunct to the quaint, charming burg of Camden (or that whole swath of riverside NJ?) across the river?

Don't know who Philly's CF is now..........but sometimes I swear he moves around out there a bit like Dykstra.


Date: Tue Oct 24 17:42:56 2023
User: JackStraw
Message:

Padres couldn't fire Melvin as they just hired him .

But they didn't want him either. Giants come to the rescue

and say hey we want him. Padres now accepting  application's

for manager.


Date: Sat Oct 28 17:11:52 2023
User: BuzzClik
Message:

Remarkable comeback by the Rangers last night to walk it off. Game 2 tonight from Arlington. 


Date: Sat Oct 28 17:45:46 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:

That was quality, intense baseball last night. 


Date: Sat Oct 28 17:48:02 2023
User: joeygray
Message:

I am shamed to admit that I turned it off and went to bed, after the Rangers failed to score in the eighth.  Reasons: I figured the closer was going to be money.  I was sick with acute bronchitis and it was getting late.  Not my dogs in the fight anyway.  I said reasons, but these aren't excuses.  No true baseball fan am I, apparently.


Date: Mon Oct 30 22:58:15 2023
User: BuzzClik
Message:

Arizona hammered Texas in Game 2. Total carnage. 

Game 3 just finished. Texas won 3-1. Fun series!


Date: Tue Oct 31 12:00:56 2023
User: MrFixit
Message:

That strike called on Moreno in the 9th was abysmal.

MLB Fans Rip World Series Umpire for His Dreadful Performance in Game 3 (msn.com)

Instead of having a guy on base we had a ground out.  


Date: Tue Oct 31 12:43:46 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:

That one *was* horrible. ~7-8 inches outside, if not 9-10.  Just another example of what I posted earlier in this thread.  [Sorry for not using cm; baseball is such an American game, and American baseball fans are notoriously non-metric.]



Date: Tue Oct 31 14:14:30 2023
User: firenze
Message:

Perhaps if Perezchica had tripped Walker, it would have turned out differently.




Date: Tue Oct 31 21:06:31 2023
User: joeygray
Message:

I am going to love it, in a couple years (three at the most), when due to the robot ball/strike ump I don’t have to watch the catcher hauling every single pitch toward the strike zone and then freezing hoping to have fooled the guy.  


Date: Sat Nov 18 22:02:27 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:

Walter Johnson won 38 1-0 games. 😯

No player who started the Sept. 9, 1963 game for the Colt .45s was over age 21. 😯


Date: Fri Dec 8 19:50:32 2023
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

Ohtani goes to Toronto.


Date: Fri Dec 8 20:42:03 2023
User: BuzzClik
Message:

Is that a prediction or a dream?


Date: Sat Dec 9 16:55:47 2023
User: Kumquat-of-Conciliation
Message:

Breaking!!:  Dodgers move to Toronto!!!

Shohei Ohtani: Two-time AL MVP agrees to deal with the Los Angeles Dodgers | CNN


Date: Sat Dec 9 22:30:55 2023
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

I'd not trust JP Morosi, even on the witness stand, even swearing on his life, even swearing upon his grandmother's virginal (pre-marital) reputations.


Ohtani: Two more MVPs.

Dodgers: No WS titles next half-century.


Date: Thu Dec 14 15:05:52 2023
User: fomalhaut
Message:

"No player who started the Sept. 9, 1963 game for the Colt .45s was over age 21. "

I tried to find that game on Retrosheet.org, but it says Houston didn't even play that day.   Neither the day before or after, or 1962, seemed to work either.



Date: Thu Dec 14 22:02:56 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:

Interesting, formalhaut.  I got that from one of my old '60s Topps baseball cards I was perusing.  One of those blurbs on the back they used to have.  I *think* I was careful to transcribe the info correctly, as I'm usually quite careful on such things.  So.........I have no explanation.  Would be nearly impossible to find that card again without hours of effort, so I'm not gonna try.  But I've found those things to generally be accurate.  Obviously I found it to be a stunning 'stat', which is why I posted it.  Puzzling.........

Edit:   I just went to that site, which I'd never used before, and no.......no game for Houston is listed for the 9th.  But they did play the 10th, in Connie Mack (losing 16-0).  And a cursory check shows at least 3 guys over 21 played that day.  So now, I'm very curious how that blurb was generated. 

Further edit:  They did play that date in '62, against the Mets, but again, at least 3 players over 21.  Game was called after 7 innings, tied, due to curfew.


Date: Thu Dec 14 23:43:19 2023
User: TNmountainman
Message:

FURTHER further edit.........

They actually hosted the Cubbies on that Sept. 8, but at least 4 of these starters were over 21, and I didn't check them all:

https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-att-us&source=android-browser&q=Colt+.45s+Sept.+9%2C+1963#sie=m;/g/11j3k4pl7w;4;/m/09p14;tb2;fp;1;;;

So...............either that blurb was wrong, or I mis-transcribed what was on that card.  Very likely the card was wrong, imo.

(Hope the link works.  And baseball-almanac.com also shows they didn't play on the 9th.)

Ken Johnson apparently pitched 8 innings for the win.  Johnson is noteworthy as being the only hurler to lose a complete-game, 9-inning no-hitter - which he did the following April in Colts Stadium. 


Date: Sat Apr 27 09:34:41 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

MLB's oldest living player celebrates 100th birthday



Art Schallock



I didn't see him play, but I suspect Yogi caught him a few times.


Date: Wed May 1 20:45:46 2024
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

Please no NYY/LAD WS.


Date: Thu Jan 9 18:18:51 2025
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

Recently read:


"Nolan Ryan struck out 107 batters who were born after his MLB debut."--MLB Throwbacks


Wow.


Date: Fri Jan 17 08:43:20 2025
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

Freddie Freeman is a wonderful Human Being.


Date: Fri Jan 17 13:21:44 2025
User: MrFixit
Message:

Another factoid: Babe Ruth dated 216 women born after his MLB debut.


Date: Fri Jan 17 13:40:17 2025
User: BuzzClik
Message:
That's a very specific number. He must have kept excellent notes. 

Date: Sat Jan 18 01:36:06 2025
User: Dr.Bombay
Message:

Speaking of Baseball, sad to read about Bob Uecker passing away.  Such an understated sense of humor.  Perfect for baseball.


Date: Tue Jan 21 18:42:31 2025
User: TNmountainman
Message:

Somebody - one person - did NOT vote for  Suzuki to be inducted into The Hall 😳.  Off with his head!!

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/2025-baseball-hall-of-fame-voting-results-ichiro-suzuki-elected-alongside-cc-sabathia-billy-wagner/


Date: Tue Jan 21 19:03:20 2025
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:
I wouldn't have voted for Wagner...and not Sabathia this early, maybe later...

Date: Tue Jan 21 22:46:56 2025
User: TNmountainman
Message:

I think one can make a case both ways, on both.  Years ago, I would have said 'no' on Sabathia, too, but I can see the thesis.  And he got 86+% of the vote, which speaks pretty loudly.

1.  Did you read that whole article?

2.  Sabathia has retired, right?  To me, his qualifications are what they are.  "Later", they're got gonna have changed.  I know what you're saying, but that shouldn't matter.  Either he's deserving or he's not.  It's not like he's somebody from the '20s or '30s where perspective has dramatically 'evolved'.


Date: Wed Jan 22 02:49:34 2025
User: Dr.Bombay
Message:

Well, the BBWAA should have been doing something about this (some meathead not voting for an obvious HOFer) long ago.  Maybe if player X gets 99+ percent of the vote, but not from you, you lose your right to vote and it goes to someone else.

Ichiro is almost right up there with the two biggest tragedies in this regard (I’m talking about Aaron and Mays).  Ichiro might hold one of those records that may never be broken- most hits in one season.  It’s 262.  Baseball reference shows the pictures of the leaders in this category and they are almost all from the early days (when players actually hit .400) except for Ichiro.  262!  No one even gets to 200 any more.

Oh, and he could play defense.  The first time ESPN aired the Mariners their opponent (might have been the Yankees) had a player on 3rd with less than 2 outs.  The announcers were talking about Ichiro’s arm and that he had a good reputation but would it hold up in MLB?  The answer came quickly.  The next batter flew out to right field; the runner tagged and ran; and Ichiro threw a laser to the plate beating the runner by five feet for the easy tag.



Date: Wed Jan 22 03:01:10 2025
User: Dr.Bombay
Message:

As to Sabathia, he’s clearly a HOF pitcher for how the game is played now.  I wouldn’t quibble with anyone who didn’t vote him in his first year of eligibility, but he should get in early in his eligibility so I’d likely have said yes to him too his first year.


Date: Wed Jan 22 12:42:35 2025
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

I'd reserve FIRST vote to very few (but OF COURSE Ichiro qualifies as First Ballot HOFer).


Date: Wed Jan 22 13:06:06 2025
User: TNmountainman
Message:

That's what I thought you meant.  And while you're entitled to your opinion, of course, my point still stands.  He's either worthy or he's not.  This "first ballot" stuff seems like some sort of tiered award, without calling it that.  Do you think the ballots that the BBWAA use intend for voters to think along those lines?  I think it's more a sort of 'culture' that's been gradually inculcated into the voting.  It's kinda like having a waiting room for heaven.  Or it's like the nominees have to somehow "earn" their admission yet again by paying their dues of sweating out their purgatory time.  To be clear.............I don't think it should be a "now or never" kind of thing.  There *are* reasons to re-evaluate careers.  But to blatantly withhold approval because they don't deserve "first ballot" status seems totally artificial to this observer. 


Date: Fri Jan 24 03:49:53 2025
User: TNmountainman
Message:

Interesting follow-up(s):

https://apnews.com/article/hall-of-fame-suzuki-sabathia-wagner-42ce5b8538fc6f697cd35d1972367e1b


Date: Sat Feb 1 02:38:30 2025
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:
(Knuckleballer) Jack Marema 1924-2024...

Date: Thu Feb 20 23:35:16 2025
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

RP Scott Sauerbeck (1971-2025)



Date: Sun Feb 23 03:36:53 2025
User: TNmountainman
Message:

This is actually pretty interesting:

https://apnews.com/article/laundry-tips-stains-c355dbf7fdd8488ea90ba016775f046e


Date: Sun Feb 23 11:32:15 2025
User: BuzzClik
Message:

I wish they would have revealed their "secret sauces". I have discovered a few over the years, but it would be nice to know the professional list. 


Date: Sun Mar 9 01:11:45 2025
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

Art Schallock



R.I.P.


Served WWII as radio operator, won three WS in early fifties with Mickey, Yogi, and the boys.


Date: Fri Mar 14 16:52:37 2025
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

Gerrit Cole...career-ending injury, quite possibly.


Too bad, Yanks.



Date: Fri Mar 21 21:34:18 2025
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:
Julio Urias...erstwhile Dodger with the funky eye, is a convicted wife-beater, and has been disallowed until after All-Star break.



Date: Mon Mar 24 13:12:10 2025
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

Tragedy has befallen NY OF Brett Gardner and his family...sincere condolences, we wish them all well...https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gardnbr01.shtml...it sounds as if the kid were a clubhouse favorite of Boone and Girardi a few years back...


Date: Tue Mar 25 20:29:53 2025
User: firenze
Message:

No Major League pitcher is worth $25,000,000.

Maybe, $15,000,000 if they are really, really good.

I might give Sandy Koufax, in his prime, $18,000,000 if he were pitching today.  Might.


Date: Tue Mar 25 21:43:26 2025
User: joeygray
Message:

Might as well say that Ken Jennings is not worth $4 million a year. Even though Alex Trebek was making more than four times that much for the same job.


Date: Wed Mar 26 13:05:48 2025
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

Tomorrow: THE GREATEST DAY IN ALL OF SPORT (one man's opinion)...although I think it was "officially" last Tuesday with Manfred-like stuff that went down way way East...


Date: Wed Mar 26 13:18:20 2025
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

...and I get to click MLBTV.com as if it were a morphine drip...


Date: Wed Mar 26 13:46:55 2025
User: TNmountainman
Message:

It's too early for baseball; should never begin until, oh, mid-April, unless they play all games in the South (including CA) before then.  Not to mention..........................March Madness is FAR superior, as are the Olympics.  Baseball had it's glory days; strikes and steroids ruined it for most of us. 


Date: Thu Mar 27 12:07:11 2025
User: BrewCrewOldSkool
Message:

Yeah, it has been almost all downhill since they started juicing the ball back in '21.


Date: Thu Mar 27 12:28:07 2025
User: TNmountainman
Message:

That's always fascinating history/fat-chewing fodder.   "In the latter year [1908], the Chicago White Sox hit three home runs for the entire season, yet they finished 88–64, just a couple of games from winning the pennant.[4]

Think about that.  Mind--blowing.


Date: Thu Mar 27 12:30:27 2025
User: firenze
Message:

Pitching duels are boring.

Home runs are exciting.

Duh.


Date: Thu Mar 27 12:42:06 2025
User: Kumquat-of-Conciliation
Message:

Wrong.  But you can think that.

"This should prove that leather is mightier than wood"[5]

—White Sox manager Fielder Jones, after his 1906 "Hitless Wonders" won the World Series with a .230 club batting average


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